Q. And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. It is my hope that Leslie Van Houten and Diane Downs are never paroled. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted Robert has lived in a mobile / manufactured home in Tucson, AZ with Christian. She had one arm totally out of commission. In high school, she met handsome Steven Downs who saw her for the great beauty she had become. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. She had no blood spatter or gun powder residue on her hands,clothing or hair. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts and cold-blooded women and were judged on their unusual character. I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US. She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. Downs then fell in love with a married coworker named Robert Knickerbocker, who continuously promised Diane hed be with her and always reneged. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. Top 3 Results for Robert Knickerbocker in AZ 1 The best result we found for your search is Robert Knickerbocker age 60s in Phoenix, AZ in the Garfield neighborhood. Needless to say, you seem to have a problem with the American justice systemnot each individual case. At least two of those school mates reported Christies tortured confession to their mother Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. It means you dont orphan the kids. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. We found 5 phone numbers and email addresses. 80% MARRIED 80% of these people are married, and 20% are single. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. Mr. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. See more Show your support Send Flowers Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. This home is the most recent known address for Robert. If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. I also found it interesting that when he had visited Diane in prison, he had remarked a strange air about her; which did not mean guilt. Just before 11 P.M., Diane Downs reportedly pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids!, Photo by: Diane Downs [Wikimedia Commons]. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. The best poems for funerals, memorial services., and cards. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. Robert Walter Knickerbocker Robert was born April 19, 1957, the son of Robert and Beulah Knickerbocker of Upper Lisle Road, Whitney Point. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. Be the first to post a memory or condolences. I hope she is granted parole. I think that the US system is barbaric But it is not hard to see that the way this tape and her confession were obtained was not legitimate. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). There have been behaviors that in the general course of events one may expect from a single parent that in a way have been falsely interpreted as being some form of evil.. please express them and I will print them. Thanks for the link. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but you seem to be doing what you accuse Ann Rule of doing. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of 82 that you would have left Charlene at one time? She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. Downs was born in Phoenix, Arizona, on August 7, 1955, to Danish and English American parents Wesley Linden and Willadene Frederickson. On July 21, she was recaptured less than half a mile away from the prison at a house with a group of men. 3. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. Of course. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. In the 21st century, it's not just urns and gravestones anymore. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and thats why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. When he said that he and his wife had reconciled he wasnt lying either, because, throughout the investigation and the trial in which Robert testified against Diane his wife stood by him. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. Three-year-old Danny was believed to have been asleep at the time of the incident. Go to the hate groups for that. According to her hospital records, every 6 hours she was given 400 milligrams of Dilantin (which is noted for causing confusion). As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. Only after these avenues are exhausted should non-relative placement be looked at. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. Downs had only been living in Oregon for six weeks when it seems she just snapped. .well yay for youtubelol..is when I first heard her in old interviews. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. Knickerbocker even reportedly told Downs he'd leave his wife and move to Oregon to be with her, where she'd taken a job with the U.S. This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. Mr. But I think that in all fairness, many of them dont even know the details of the case and have watched Small Sacrifices instead. The trial was a whole miscarriage, that seems undeniable. Evidence from a ballistics expert. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecutions favour. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. She was not in the car when her children were shot. Just before 11 P.M., Downs pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids! Cheryl, seven; lay dead in the front seat, and Christie, eight; and Danny, three; were sprawled in the back seat, clinging to life. This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. Looking for Robert Knickerbocker? Anyways. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. By the time the incident had happened, it seems as if the two had parted ways, with Diane becoming obsessed with him. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. Same with her brother. If you use this mixed water, you can lift off a gunpowder stain.. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. No OTHER reason. But without proof, Diane couldnt implicate Steve Downs any more than she could shoot him as he violated a restraining order threatening to beat her AGAIN. Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. You hit the nail on the head by stating that in the US especially, they seem to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. It has become entertainment and there can only be good, bad and evil. The fact that she and her brother Danny were eventually adopted by Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs is the most blatant case of conflict of interest I have ever heard of. I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? And to say that her mental health has degraded is an understatement, but more reason not to keep her eternally incarcerated. Mr. Dianes family could give you countless examples of the inaccuracies they found in her book. But due to a law enacted in Oregon after she first became eligible for parole, she can now only apply every 10 years. Let others know about your loved one's death. She followed all the correct Parole Boardprocedures for two years with no hearing. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. Nine months after the shootings, on February 28, 1984, Diane Downs was arrested and charged with one count of murder and two counts of attempted murder. Exactly Libby why did they say during the trial that he saw his mom? I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. Maybe dad relinquished, it sounds like he may have. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. They are still part of their birth family. All Filters. did he have eyes in the back of his head.???? Robert K Knickerbocker. 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